tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post6614562571716188500..comments2023-09-28T03:05:12.121-07:00Comments on Terrance this is stupid stuff: Oregon's Medicaid Leaves Many in the Cold: No Spinal Surgery, Back Pain or Allergy TreatmentT. D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11952394767212085011noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-41565183359418110622013-12-10T22:02:26.224-08:002013-12-10T22:02:26.224-08:00Mike, sounds like you know a little something abou...Mike, sounds like you know a little something about spinal surgery.T. D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11952394767212085011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-51462535815501852992013-12-10T06:06:09.775-08:002013-12-10T06:06:09.775-08:00Thank you for sharing this informative post.One of...Thank you for sharing this informative post.One of the nice information about <a href="http://spinepainbegone.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">spine pain</a> you give here.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-89865085862852103142013-12-09T16:45:15.949-08:002013-12-09T16:45:15.949-08:00The correct spelling, I believe, is "Bluemanu...The correct spelling, I believe, is "Bluemanure".MAX Redlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12040240474444763721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-25790640743654899162013-12-06T10:41:42.291-08:002013-12-06T10:41:42.291-08:00I noticed the Oct 1 onward exemption too. Puts th...I noticed the Oct 1 onward exemption too. Puts the pre-Oct 1 people in a bad fix. As you point out most of them are in for long term care.<br /><br />I think you're right on reimbursing. Everything about this is so slipshod and unsure. I wonder if Oregon will actually throw the rascals out who voted for this. Probably not Blumenauer.T. D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11952394767212085011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-35266020049936596342013-12-04T15:33:45.129-08:002013-12-04T15:33:45.129-08:00Yes, I found the link on OHP's change of plans...Yes, I found the link on OHP's change of plans over the weekend, until then I'd been a bit concerned over the asset recovery program. Actually, more like appalled, as it affects OHP participants <i>prior to</i> Oct.1 of this year - they've been going after assets after death (unless a spouse is still alive) for any participant who received services, and it wasn't limited to ltc.<br /><br />That's the change that they've just implemented, effective for new enrollees from Oct 1 onward:<br /><br />http://www.oregon.gov/oha/healthplan/OHPSuppDocs/Estate%20Recovery%20and%20the%20Oregon%20Health%20Plan.pdf<br /><br />They'l apply asset recovery only for service rendered if a participant enters long term care. In any case, they don't care about any kids; the spousal-only exception remains in effect.<br /><br />It seems odd that the writer didn't mention the important details in his "tips" column. And you're right, another comment raised the issue of fluctuating income; an issue that hadn't even occurred to me (nor, apparently, to the Oregonian writer). But then, I'm not publishing "tips" in a newspaper.<br /><br />I'll go out on the proverbial limb, here, and guess that yes, they'd have to reimburse.MAX Redlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12040240474444763721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-24861114562413475362013-12-04T09:35:54.481-08:002013-12-04T09:35:54.481-08:00It looks like commenters helped Hunsberger identif...It looks like commenters helped Hunsberger identify the issue.<br /><br />http://www.oregonlive.com/finance/index.ssf/2013/11/income_tricks_to_qualify_for_t.html/post/2013-11-30/1385837721-28-803.html<br /><br />http://www.oregonlive.com/finance/index.ssf/2013/11/income_tricks_to_qualify_for_t.html/post/2013-11-30/1385840350-886-657.html<br /><br />One hopes that Hunsberger's missing the recovery of assets part of Medicaid was due to ignorance and not consciously leaving out an important factor. But, it doesn't say much for a reporter who gives financial advice to miss estate recovery in his original financial "tips" article published only two days earlier. <br /><br />Another commenter asked about an important issue Hunsberger has not yet addressed. What about people with fluctuating incomes? Will they have to pay the Medicaid money back if they go over the $15,860 limit since 2014 income is based on an estimate?<br /><br />http://www.oregonlive.com/finance/index.ssf/2013/11/income_tricks_to_qualify_for_t.html/post/2013-11-30/1385838492-295-492.htmlT. D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11952394767212085011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-80396939514236679892013-12-03T15:52:55.945-08:002013-12-03T15:52:55.945-08:00That's a good observation regarding the nature...That's a good observation regarding the nature of the change, TD - i.e., administrative. It was, however a result of pushback from a number of folks who <i>read the fine print</i> and understood it (correctly) to mean that if they allowed themselves to be pushed into OHP, they could conceivably lose all of their assets.<br /><br />Because of that, I suspect they'd be unlikely to change it back. Nonetheless, it's still a potential landmine should long-term care be needed, so I'm guessing they'll tweak that part as well, eventually. It all kind of reminds me of Portland City Council's multiple tweaks to their "arts tax" - which took so many weird turns that Steve Novick finally advocated trashing the whole thing and starting over.<br /><br />Heh - yes, the Oregonian's a little slow on the uptake, sometimes. ;-)<br /><br />I'm not sure if they just miss stuff when they're reading, or whether they simply decide that there's more important stories out there, or what. Some of them don't seem to be especially accomplished at journalism, though.<br />MAX Redlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12040240474444763721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-65617613355429204372013-12-03T13:47:48.333-08:002013-12-03T13:47:48.333-08:00Oh, and you scooped the Oregonian again! :-)Oh, and you scooped the Oregonian again! :-)T. D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11952394767212085011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-78096509324779263072013-12-03T13:46:57.169-08:002013-12-03T13:46:57.169-08:00Max, since this is an administrative change, I ass...Max, since this is an administrative change, I assume it can also be changed back at any time.T. D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11952394767212085011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-7809283950260235152013-12-03T11:40:49.670-08:002013-12-03T11:40:49.670-08:00Lollers, TD. But hey, the Oregonian noticed the ne...Lollers, TD. But hey, the Oregonian noticed the new OHP statement yesterday!<br /><br /><i>The Oregon Health Authority, which oversees the plan, said last week it would change its asset-recovery policy. Starting Oct. 1, anyone applying for coverage under the plan won't be subject to asset recovery rules meant for those receiving long-term care, the agency said.<br /><br />The agency also plans to remove the alarming fine print in Cover Oregon's application.<br /><br />"We are not going to be implementing the state recovery for people receiving just the Oregon Health Plan," said health authority spokeswoman Patty Wentz. "(Recovery) will remain in effect for long-term care services and connected medical costs."</i><br /><br />Good to see that they got around to it, finally....<br /><br />http://www.oregonlive.com/finance/index.ssf/2013/12/cover_oregon_state_says_it_won.htmlMAX Redlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12040240474444763721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-52025629249528786552013-12-02T11:17:10.138-08:002013-12-02T11:17:10.138-08:00Thanks for the update, Max! You're my reporter...Thanks for the update, Max! You're my reporter "of record".T. D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11952394767212085011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-40957787862116236862013-12-01T13:57:40.869-08:002013-12-01T13:57:40.869-08:00More info, TD: Oregon Health Plan (medicaid) issue...More info, TD: Oregon Health Plan (medicaid) issued a new policy statement, which I just noticed - if you sign up for OHP after Oct. 1 2013, they will not pursue estate recovery unless you enter long-term care. They state that services such as ltc aren't strictly medical and therefore aren't covered under OHP.MAX Redlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12040240474444763721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-20615484923511328202013-12-01T12:48:48.835-08:002013-12-01T12:48:48.835-08:00Max, thanks for the information. I did not know t...Max, thanks for the information. I did not know that about Medicaid. <br /><br />The people not wanting to go on it probably don't know either. They just have pride in themselves and their ability to take care of themselves, and do not want to receive public aid they don't need. Bedrock Americans. <br /><br />Another example of having to have outside help to get a true picture of an Oregonian story. Sigh.T. D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11952394767212085011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17669835.post-23307584681776105562013-11-30T14:06:16.397-08:002013-11-30T14:06:16.397-08:00Dr. Paul Urrea really should have been a urologist...Dr. Paul Urrea really should have been a urologist.<br /><br />Anyway...there are a couple of things that Brent rather conveniently overlooked: if you receive services under medicaid, the governments will attempt to recoup any costs from your estate. Of course, if you're on medicaid, in many cases you won't have an especially large estate, so they'll simply take everything and leave your children with nothing.<br /><br />If your spouse survives you, they won't go after your estate until she dies as well. Then, however, all bets are off.<br /><br />As well - at 61, are you going to need "well baby" care, pediatric dentistry, or a "free" breast pump? No? Then why are you being forced to buy them?MAX Redlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12040240474444763721noreply@blogger.com